Salam,
Below
is the debate between Christian Chin and Asar on the Christian view that the
Quran is not from God as it has many contradictions.
The
Debate
Christian
Chin said If the Quran is true, then Islam is false. Why? Because the Quran
says to trust the Gospels, but the four Gospels contradict the Quran. This
means the Quran can't be true if it says the gospel message is also true. In
order to show this, I will quote several verses from the Quran. The more
important ones are bolded for easy reference later. None can change Allah's
words 6:34, 6:115, 18:27,
Asar
replied the Quran never says without reservation that Gospels is true. The
Gospel is true if you accept the Quran but you did not, here is an example: And
when there came to them a messenger from Allah, confirming what was with them,
a party of the people of the Book threw away the Book of Allah behind their
backs, as if (it had been something) they did not know! (2:101)
Christian
Chin said Moses was given the Torah 2:87, "We gave Moses the Book and
followed him up with a succession of messengers; We gave Jesus the son of Mary
Clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the holy spirit. Is it that whenever
there comes to you a messenger with what ye yourselves desire not, ye are
puffed up with pride? Some ye called impostors, and others ye slay!
Asar
replied here again you rejected the Messenger Muhammad (Pbuh) whom you called
an imposter and he brought message which you reject. How can you say the Quran
says to trust the Gospel?
Christian
Chin quoted the Quran 3:3, "It is
He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what
went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus)
before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment
between right and wrong)." 4:163,
"We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers
after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes,
to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the
Psalms." 57:27, "Then, in their wake, We followed them up with
(others of) Our messengers: We sent after them Jesus the son of Mary, and
bestowed on him the Gospel; and We ordained in the hearts of those who followed
him Compassion and Mercy. But the Monasticism which they invented for
themselves, We did not prescribe for them: (We commanded) only the seeking for
the Good Pleasure of Allah; but that they did not foster as they should have
done. Yet We bestowed, on those among them who believed, their (due) reward,
but many of them are rebellious transgressors.
Asar
replied look at the ending part of the verse “you did not foster” meaning most
of you never nurture or cherish and many of you are rebellious transgressors.
And you have the cheek to say the Qurans says to trust the Gospel and this is
what you did before and now: Ye People of the Book! Why reject ye the Signs of
Allah, of which ye are (Yourselves) witnesses? Ye People of the Book! Why do ye
clothe Truth with falsehood, and conceal the Truth, while ye have knowledge?
(3:70-71)
Christian
Chin The Quran said Christians should judge by what is in the Gospel
5:47,
"Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein.
If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are
(no better than) those who rebel." The Quran confirms the Torah, the
Psalms, and the Gospels and guards them 5:48 To thee [the people of the gospel]
We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it,
and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what Allah hath revealed,
and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that hath come to
thee. To each among you have we prescribed a law and an open way. If Allah had
so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test
you in what He hath given you: so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal
of you all is to Allah; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in
which ye dispute.
Asar
replied The Quran at 5:48 …, confirming
the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety. Guarding it in safety means the Quran act
as a quality control over previous scriptures it detects and exposes the Christian
falsehood. Here is an inaccurate example of moral justice:
And
unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that
taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also. (Luke 6:29). Nobody in
their minds will follow your Bible Clement Chin. This is what should be the
truth in your book as stated in the Quran: We ordained therein for
them: "Life for life, eye for eye, nose or nose, ear for ear, tooth for
tooth, and wounds equal for equal." But if any one remits the retaliation
by way of charity, it is an act of atonement for himself. And if any fail to
judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (No better than)
wrong-doers. (5:45)
Christian
Chin said the Quran command the Muslims to ask Christians about spiritual
things as stated: 10.94, "If thou wert in doubt as to what We have
revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before
thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise of
those in doubt."
Asar
replied you see your brain is only concentrating on the phrase “then ask those
who have been reading the Book before thee” but I am looking the bigger phrase
of the verse “If thou were in doubt as to what We revealed unto thee (for
Muslims no harm in asking those people of the Book just to check but but) the Truth
hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: (The Quran) so be in no wise of those
in doubt.! This is what the verse really meant not to doubt the Quran it is the
only Truth. There is actually no need to ask the people of the Book
Christian
Chin quoted verse of Quran: Curse on those who say God has a son 9:30,
"The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the
son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate
what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are
deluded away from the Truth!
Asar
replied this is true there is consequences in saying falsehood: They say:
"Allah hath begotten a son!" - Glory be to Him! He is
self-sufficient! His are all things in the heavens and on earth! No warrant
have ye for this! Say ye about Allah what ye know not? Say: "Those who
invent a lie against Allah will never prosper." A little enjoyment in this
world! and then, to Us will be their return, then shall We make them taste the
severest penalty for their blasphemies. (10:68-70)
Allah
says not to associate Him with any sons or daughters.
Christian
Chin said the Quran says Jesus was not crucified 4:157, "That they said
(in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of
Allah"; but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to
appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no
(certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed
him not." Alright, so we see that...None can change Allah's words (6:34;
6:115; 18:27); Jesus was given the gospel by Allah (57:27); The Quran confirms
the Gospels (5:48) The Gospels contradict the Quran
So,
if the Quran confirms the Gospels which say that Jesus was crucified (Matthew
27:26–31; Mark 15:15–20; Luke 23:32–34; John 19:17-18), and the Quran says
Jesus was not crucified (Surah 4:157), then the Quran is false. But if it says
the Gospels are false, then the Quran denies its own teaching and Islam is
false.
Asar
replied remember the Quran is guardian over previous scriptures it functions to
expose those falsehoods in the Bible: confirming the scripture that came before
it, and guarding it in safety.(5:48). Guarding it in safety means the Quran act
as a quality control over previous scriptures it detects and exposes the
falsehood. And it says: Verily this Qur'an doth explain to the Children of
Israel most of the matters in which they disagree.(27:76)
Christian
Chin Objection: The gospel is not the written record, but the message that
Jesus gave. This can't work because the Quran confirms the Torah, the Psalms,
and the gospels (written records) that were around at the time of Muhammad. Surah
5:48 To thee [the people of the gospel] We sent the Scripture in truth,
confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety.
Asar
replied it makes no different to me you can being me any Bible whether it is
the King James Version or Catholic Good News or Jehovah’s Witness New world
translation of the Holy scriptures or any other Bible irrespective whether it
is the one during the Prophet or the new version when you claimed it is your
scripture then the Quran will fulfill its function to be “the Guardian over
previous scriptures” The Quran detect and expose falsehoods and fabrications.
Remember the word “guardian” in 5:48 has a huge function
Asar
