Sunday, July 19, 2015

Christians claimed Quran at Surah 9:31 give deception and lie to Muslims about Christian’s belief.


 
Salam,
 
Many Christians claimed that Quran at Surah 9:31 give deception and lie to Muslims about Christian’s belief. They claimed they do take priests and anchorites as God.
 
The Quran at 9:31:
They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of Allah, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One Allah: there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him).
 
For the information of Christians,  the Quran never lie about anything and it is telling the truth that Christians do take their priest and anchorites as lords in derogation of Allah. The Quran also provide proof of this statement from the Christian Bible itself. The verse (9:31) is broken into two fragments for easy reference and justification:-
 
The Quran says “They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of Allah, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary;”
 
Here for easy justification the example of the Jews is taken into account as they take Ezra as their priest and anchorite and thus take him as the son of God and the Christians do the same except that the Christians take Jesus as the son of God.
 
The example of the Jew in Ezra he was also called Ezra the Scribe and also Ezra the Priest. He was also authorized to teach as stated in the Bible: For Ezra had prepared his heart to seek the law of the LORD, and to do it, and to teach in Israel statutes and judgments (Ezra 7:10). Since he was a teacher they called him Rabbi and according to Jewish tradition a Rabbi is also known as the son of God and this is where the Quran says they take their priests and their anchorites to be their Lords in derogation of Allah. Similarly the Christian takes Christ the son of Mary as the Jew take Ezra as Rabbi and a Jew confirmed Jesus is also a Rabbi and according to Jewish tradition he is the son of God. The part of the Bible that confirmed a Jew declared Christ a Rabbi and son of God is as stated:-
 
Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph. And Nathanael said unto him, can there any good thing come out of Nazareth? Philip saith unto him, Come and see. Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile! Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee. Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel. (John1:45-49). So in the Bible the Jew confirmed a Rabbi is the son of God and a Rabbi is a teacher and a master which the Christians looked upon Jesus. So the Quran tell the truth of the Christians belief by giving evidences from the Bible itself.
 
In the part of the vcerse 9:31 the Quran also said “yet they were commanded to worship but One Allah: there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him).”
 
Stated in the following are verses of the Bible commanding the Christians to worship one God: For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God: (Exodus 34:14); And in another verse Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. (Luke 4:8)
 
Thus the accusation that the “Quran at Surah 9:31 give deception and lie to Muslims about Christian’s belief is unjustified as the Bible itself proved and confirmed that they do take their priests and anchorites in derogation of Allah.
 
Asar
 


Monday, July 6, 2015

A debate between Christian Chin and Asar on Quran is not true


Salam,
 
Below is the debate between Christian Chin and Asar on the Christian view that the Quran is not from God as it has many contradictions.
 
The Debate
 
Christian Chin said If the Quran is true, then Islam is false. Why? Because the Quran says to trust the Gospels, but the four Gospels contradict the Quran. This means the Quran can't be true if it says the gospel message is also true. In order to show this, I will quote several verses from the Quran. The more important ones are bolded for easy reference later. None can change Allah's words 6:34, 6:115, 18:27,
 
Asar replied the Quran never says without reservation that Gospels is true. The Gospel is true if you accept the Quran but you did not, here is an example: And when there came to them a messenger from Allah, confirming what was with them, a party of the people of the Book threw away the Book of Allah behind their backs, as if (it had been something) they did not know! (2:101)
 
 
Christian Chin said Moses was given the Torah 2:87, "We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of messengers; We gave Jesus the son of Mary Clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the holy spirit. Is it that whenever there comes to you a messenger with what ye yourselves desire not, ye are puffed up with pride? Some ye called impostors, and others ye slay!
 
Asar replied here again you rejected the Messenger Muhammad (Pbuh) whom you called an imposter and he brought message which you reject. How can you say the Quran says to trust the Gospel?
 
 
Christian Chin quoted the Quran  3:3, "It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong)."  4:163, "We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms." 57:27, "Then, in their wake, We followed them up with (others of) Our messengers: We sent after them Jesus the son of Mary, and bestowed on him the Gospel; and We ordained in the hearts of those who followed him Compassion and Mercy. But the Monasticism which they invented for themselves, We did not prescribe for them: (We commanded) only the seeking for the Good Pleasure of Allah; but that they did not foster as they should have done. Yet We bestowed, on those among them who believed, their (due) reward, but many of them are rebellious transgressors.
 
Asar replied look at the ending part of the verse “you did not foster” meaning most of you never nurture or cherish and many of you are rebellious transgressors. And you have the cheek to say the Qurans says to trust the Gospel and this is what you did before and now: Ye People of the Book! Why reject ye the Signs of Allah, of which ye are (Yourselves) witnesses? Ye People of the Book! Why do ye clothe Truth with falsehood, and conceal the Truth, while ye have knowledge? (3:70-71)
 
 
Christian Chin The Quran said Christians should judge by what is in the Gospel
5:47, "Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel." The Quran confirms the Torah, the Psalms, and the Gospels and guards them 5:48 To thee [the people of the gospel] We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what Allah hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that hath come to thee. To each among you have we prescribed a law and an open way. If Allah had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you: so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to Allah; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute.
 
Asar replied The Quran at 5:48 …, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety.  Guarding it in safety means the Quran act as a quality control over previous scriptures it detects and exposes the Christian falsehood. Here is an inaccurate example of moral justice:
 
And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also. (Luke 6:29). Nobody in their minds will follow your Bible Clement Chin. This is what should be the truth in your book as stated in the Quran: We ordained therein for them: "Life for life, eye for eye, nose or nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal." But if any one remits the retaliation by way of charity, it is an act of atonement for himself. And if any fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (No better than) wrong-doers. (5:45)
 
 
Christian Chin said the Quran command the Muslims to ask Christians about spiritual things as stated: 10.94, "If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise of those in doubt."
 
Asar replied you see your brain is only concentrating on the phrase “then ask those who have been reading the Book before thee” but I am looking the bigger phrase of the verse “If thou were in doubt as to what We revealed unto thee (for Muslims no harm in asking those people of the Book just to check but but) the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: (The Quran) so be in no wise of those in doubt.! This is what the verse really meant not to doubt the Quran it is the only Truth. There is actually no need to ask the people of the Book
 
 
Christian Chin quoted verse of Quran: Curse on those who say God has a son 9:30, "The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!
 
Asar replied this is true there is consequences in saying falsehood: They say: "Allah hath begotten a son!" - Glory be to Him! He is self-sufficient! His are all things in the heavens and on earth! No warrant have ye for this! Say ye about Allah what ye know not? Say: "Those who invent a lie against Allah will never prosper." A little enjoyment in this world! and then, to Us will be their return, then shall We make them taste the severest penalty for their blasphemies. (10:68-70)
Allah says not to associate Him with any sons or daughters.
 
 
Christian Chin said the Quran says Jesus was not crucified 4:157, "That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah"; but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not." Alright, so we see that...None can change Allah's words (6:34; 6:115; 18:27); Jesus was given the gospel by Allah (57:27); The Quran confirms the Gospels (5:48) The Gospels contradict the Quran
 
So, if the Quran confirms the Gospels which say that Jesus was crucified (Matthew 27:26–31; Mark 15:15–20; Luke 23:32–34; John 19:17-18), and the Quran says Jesus was not crucified (Surah 4:157), then the Quran is false. But if it says the Gospels are false, then the Quran denies its own teaching and Islam is false.
 
Asar replied remember the Quran is guardian over previous scriptures it functions to expose those falsehoods in the Bible: confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety.(5:48). Guarding it in safety means the Quran act as a quality control over previous scriptures it detects and exposes the falsehood. And it says: Verily this Qur'an doth explain to the Children of Israel most of the matters in which they disagree.(27:76)
 
 
Christian Chin Objection: The gospel is not the written record, but the message that Jesus gave. This can't work because the Quran confirms the Torah, the Psalms, and the gospels (written records) that were around at the time of Muhammad. Surah 5:48 To thee [the people of the gospel] We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety.
 
Asar replied it makes no different to me you can being me any Bible whether it is the King James Version or Catholic Good News or Jehovah’s Witness New world translation of the Holy scriptures or any other Bible irrespective whether it is the one during the Prophet or the new version when you claimed it is your scripture then the Quran will fulfill its function to be “the Guardian over previous scriptures” The Quran detect and expose falsehoods and fabrications. Remember the word “guardian” in 5:48 has a huge function
 
 
Asar


Thursday, April 30, 2015

More claim of contradictions of the Quran being refuted

 
Salam,
 
Below are given more claims by the disbelievers of contradictions of the Quran
 
Misconceived contradiction of Allah’s decree
Are Allah's decrees changed or not?1."Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers," (6:34). 2."The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfillment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all, (6:115). 3.None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?" (2:106). 4.When We substitute one revelation for another, and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages), they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not," (16:101).
 
Refutation: Allah’s decree will never change. When Allah substituted His revelation with another His decree did not changed. What is being changed is only in location and situation but the decree remained intact. Below is an example when He abrogates a revelation and replaced with a better one there is no changing in the decree involved:
 
Permitted to you, on the night of the fasts, is the approach to your wives. They are your garments and ye are their garments. Allah knoweth what ye used to do secretly among yourselves; but He turned to you and forgave you; so now associate with them, and seek what Allah Hath ordained for you, and eat and drink, until the white thread of dawn appear to you distinct from its black thread; then complete your fast till the night appears; but do not associate with your wives while ye are in retreat in the mosques. Those are Limits (set by) Allah: Approach not nigh thereto. Thus doth Allah make clear His Signs to men: that they may learn self-restraint. (S 2:187)   
 
It is stated in the above verse in the earlier stage there was restriction to approach the wives at night during the fasting month of Ramadhan but Allah make it easier by repealing this restriction because it was violated. However the restriction is not totally abandoned it is still maintained when they are in retreat in the mosques. Thus the decree to approach to the wives is relaxed but the restriction is still maintained at the mosques and thus there is no change in the decree of Allah.
 
 
Misconceived contradiction over the consumption of wine
Is wine consumption good or bad? 1.O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination of Satan's handwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper," (5:90). 2.(Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord. (Can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell forever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)?" (47:15). 3.Truly the Righteous will be in Bliss: On Thrones (of Dignity) will they command a sight (of all things): Thou wilt recognize in their faces the beaming brightness of Bliss. Their thirst will be slaked with Pure Wine sealed,"
(83:22-25).
 
Refutation: In wine consumption it is not a case whether it is good or bad, the disputant miss to observe this important verse of the Quran which says: They ask thee concerning wine and gambling. Say: "In them is great sin, and some profit, for men; but the sin is greater than the profit." (S2:219). Here if the wine is taken for health reason or mixed with medicines or as supplement to preserve food to make the food last longer or tastier then it is the good part which is allowed by God. In the hereafter only the good part of the wine will be served as shown here: Round will be passed to them a Cup from a clear-flowing fountain, Crystal-white, of a taste delicious to those who drink (thereof), Free from headiness; nor will they suffer intoxication therefrom. The good part is not to be intoxicated otherwise a great sin will be committed as stated in this verse: Satan's plan is (but) to excite enmity and hatred between you, with intoxicants and gambling, and hinder you from the remembrance of Allah, and from prayer: will ye not then abstain? (S5:91). When one is intoxicated it is then a sin to offer the obligatory prayer as he will not have control over his mind as reminded in this command: O ye who believe! Approach not prayers with a mind befogged, until ye can understand all that ye say (S4:43). So there is no contradiction between the verses put up by the accuser as it is not a question of wine being good or bad it is the intention to consume for the good or for bad purpose.
 
 
Misconceived contradiction of Quranic inheritance law
And it just doesn't add up: Sura 4:11-12 and 4:176 state the Qur'anic inheritance law. When a man dies, and is leaving behind three daughters, his two parents and his wife, they will receive the respective shares of 2/3 for the 3 daughters together, 1/3 for the parents together [both according to verse 4:11] and 1/8 for the wife [4:12] which adds up to more than the available estate. A second example: A man leaves only his mother, his wife and two sisters, then they receive 1/3 [mother, 4:11], 1/4 [wife, 4:12] and 2/3 [the two sisters, 4:176], which again adds up to 15/12 of the available property.
 
Refutation: For easy reference the share in fraction will also be converted into percentage. In the first example given above, when a man leaves behind:
                                                           
3 daughters they get 2/3 converted to common fraction is 16/24 or   66.7%;
the parents get          1/3  converted to common fraction is  8/24  or   33.3%
and the wife get         1/8 converted to common fraction is   3/24 or    12.5%
There is an excess claim of 3/24 or 12.5% where total claim is (27/24) or (112.5%)
 
Refutation: It is true in this kind of family composition the situation will be excess of claim over what is available if one does not write his will the consequence is if all claim according to their share they will quarrel. So this fraction or percentage was deliberately done by the wisdom of Allah so that it is a reminder from Allah that wealthy people will be incumbent to write a proper will before he dies as stated in the verse: It is prescribed, when death approaches any of you, if he leave any goods that he make a bequest to parents and next of kin, according to reasonable usage; this is due from the God-fearing. (S2:180).
 
When Allah gives the command of a mismatched claim that exceeded by 3/24 or 12.5% as can happen as in the example of the above family composition (3 daughters, both parents and wife claiming) He did not leave the believers without solution, He retain in His Quran an amicable way of solving this situation. The solution lies in this statement in in the following verse of the Quran:
 
Ye know not whether your parents or your children are nearest to you in benefit. These are settled portions ordained by Allah; and Allah is All-knowing, Al-wise (S4:11)
 
The wisdom of the above statement is if we are allowed to choose between our children and parent whom we prefer then it is easy for us to take the initiative by deducting the portion from the one we less prefer so that the original portion of the one we love remain intact.
 
In the example above 3/24 or 12.5% can be deducted from either our parent or our children. If it is the parents we love more or benefit us more we keep their share intact at the expense of the children share thus the children portion of 16/24 – 3/24 = 13/24. Then the equation is matched as follows: 13/24(deducted from children) + 8/24 (parents intact) + 3/24 (wife no change) = 24/24 or 100%
 
Alternatively if it is the children we prefer then the excess claim of 3/24 can be taken off from the parents thus the parents portion of 8/24 – 3/24 = 5/24. Thus the equation is matched again as follows: 16/24 (children intact) + 5/24 (parents reduced) +3/24 (wife no change) = 24/24 or 100%
 
However Allah in Surah 4:11 insinuated you know not whom is nearer to you in benefit between the parents and the children and thus it is only fair that we deduct equally the excess claim of 3/24 into equal portion from both the children and the parent while the wife’s claim remain unchanged. Thus the equation is in equivalent again as shown below having converted to common factor: (1/24 converted to 2/48 so 3/24 = 6/48 resulting in deducting of equal portion of 3/48 each from the children and the parents respectively)
 
Children 32/48 minus 3/48 = 29/48
Parents   16/48 minus 3/48 = 13/48
Wife unchanged 6/48            =  6/48               
Total                                         48/48  again 100%
Thus in this kind of family composition the testator would have to write his will that he leaves 29/48 (or 60.42%) to his children; 13/48 (or 27.08%) to the parents and 6/48 (or 12.5%) to the wife. In truth it all adds up to 48/48 or 100% claim which does not exceed the estates left if one write his will by following the guidance from the Quran.
 
However if the tester is adamant to write exactly as original prescribed with the excess claim in the above fraction, his will can be denied as this will trigger the clause of the role of the witnesses who have the right to change it to its proper faction or percentage to equal one or 100%. This is provided in the following verse of the Quran as stated:
 
But if anyone fears partiality or wrong-doing on the part of the testator, and makes peace between (The parties concerned), there is no wrong in him: For Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. (S2:182).
 
As regard to the second example given by the disbeliever: A man leaves only his mother, his wife and two sisters, then they receive 1/3 [mother, 4:11], 1/4 [wife, 4:12] and 2/3 [the two sisters, 4:176], which again adds up to 15/12 of the available property.
 
Refutation: In the above example if either the mother or wife is still alive the sister or the brother has no claim at all. Therefore there is no excess claim in the above example.
 
Thus this proven that in the Quran writing a will is obligatory for the wealthy so that wherever there is a situation of excess claim Allah provide an amicable solution how to reduce the claim as he writes his will. Similarly a loner without any ascendant or descendant in writing his will, he can will his total wealth to anybody he pleases as stated in the following verse:
 
From what is left by parents and those nearest related there is a share for men and a share for women, whether the property be small or large a determinate share. (S4:7) 
 
However the moment he got married and has more than two children he has to change his will by giving 1/8 (or 12.5%) to his wife and 2/3 (or 66.67%) to his children while the balance of (100%-79,17%) 20.83% he is allowed to distributed back to his main family members or any other kindred or even his close friends. It is only when the wife, the parents and the children are still living there is no space for his to will it to anybody he pleases instead he has to reduce the excess portion from the parent and the children as been explained above.  Thus there is no contradiction in the calculation in the inheritance law of the verses from Allah as being made detail in the Quran it is only the ignorance and the rejection of the disbelievers when it comes to them of the truth of the Quran.
 
Asar